(Frequently updated)
"Treating PSA"
I. Selecting for low PSA subtypes
For most men with advanced prostate cancer, PSA is their best biomarker of progression - more detected PSA means more progression. This may change as the cancer evolves. A highly mutated tumor may put out less PSA. Highly undifferentiated kinds of prostate cancer, and other relatively rare sub-types (e.g., ductal, neuroendocrine, basal cell, "double negative," etc.) may evince little or no serum PSA.
So it is possible, when such phenotypes are present and they are mixed with "normal" prostate cancer, to provide treatments that kill off the "normal" prostate cancer cells, leaving the low-PSA subtypes behind. Such a situation has been identified in patients heavily treated with chemo and enzalutamide. It is called "treatment-emergent neuroendocrine prostate cancer" (see this link) and has been identified in 17% of heavily-treated patients.
Another example of a treatment that may select for low-PSA subtypes is Lu-177-PSMA. If the patient has two types of prostate cancer, one that expresses PSMA and PSA, while his other cancer expresses neither, PSMA-targeted therapy may eliminate the source of most of the PSA, leaving more virulent subtypes behind (see this link).
This type of situation is dangerous if one relies on PSA as the principal biomarker of progression. One may be lulled into complacency by deceptively low PSA.
It is worth noting that two FDA-approved therapies for prostate cancer, Provenge and Xofigo, have been proven to increase survival, but have little or no effect on PSA.
II. Supplements that interfere with PSA tests
Patients often self-medicate in the hope of wresting some control over their cancer. The internet is full of "evidence" that this or that natural supplement may slow progression or even cure the cancer. Serum PSA is detected by an antibody that can detect amounts as low as a nanogram of PSA per ml of serum. This kind of sensitivity has a cost - the antibodies are subject to interference by other substances that may be present in the serum. So far, the list of substances that may interfere with PSA tests, creating false negatives, includes biotin, curcumin, genistein, EGCG, resveratrol, capsaicin, saw palmetto, pygeum, beta-sitosterol, and statins (see this link). The false negative PSA readings may fool the patient and his physician (who may not be aware of the patient's supplement use) into believing that the cancer is under more control than it really is. Patients who use any complementary therapies are twice as likely to die of their cancer (see this link).
III. SBRT of oligometastases
1. Exponential growth
Because of Covid-19, many of us are now used to seeing exponential growth curves. Deaths from Covid-19 started very slowly in December through February. But then in March, the number of deaths climbed markedly. This illustrates the two striking features of exponential growth - the "flat" part with a very slow increase, followed by a "steep" part with a very rapid increase.
Among the biological systems that also follow an exponential growth curve are bacteria, viruses, and cancers. Here is a prototypical graph of the number of metastases in a patient.
In men who are PSA-recurrent after prostatectomy, it takes a median of 8 years for the first metastasis to become detectable (see this link). After that, I've seen that more than a year can go by between the detection of the first metastasis and the next one. Some researchers, who should know better, observed that in their patients who had early metastases treated with radiation, new metastases did not occur for a long time. They attributed the delay to the treatment rather than the natural history of metastatic progression (see this link). It is impossible to know if there was a delay in progression without a randomized clinical trial.
What is really happening during this extended time period? The accepted theory is called "seed and soil." There are millions of cancer "seeds" in the serum, the lymph, around nerves, and hiding in various tissue reservoirs (mainly in bone tissue). While they appear to be quiescent, they are in fact changing the "microenvironment" of the tissue they are in. They are transforming the tissue to make it more conducive to prostate cancer growth, building networks of collagen, fat, blood vessels and nerves, influencing healthy cells to become cancerous, and preventing the immune system from destroying the new nests (see this link for a fuller explanation).
Because it takes such a long time to build up the metastases to the point that they are detectable by even our most sensitive PET/CT scan (the tumor detection limit is about 4 mm - millions of cells), it seems that there is little there and even less going on. This is called "oligometastatic" cancer. It seems like all the cancer can be picked off by playing whack-a-mole -- zapping the few detected metastases with intense radiation (called SBRT) as they are detected. In fact, it is well-established that SBRT provides excellent "local control." "Local control" means that the metastases are usually completely annihilated by just one or two "zaps" (see this link). Because the detected metastases are the source of almost all the PSA, PSA can fall to undetectable levels after such treatment of oligometastases. But the cancer is far from cured - the PSA has been treated, but the cancer is still micrometastatic and systemic.
Those who believe that such treatment can result in a durable remission believe that the immune system can clean up the rest of the cancer. The ORIOLE trial (reviewed here) showed that SBRT created a T-cell response. If that T-cell response is sustained, they argue, the activated immune system can "clean up" the rest of the cancer. The skeptics argue that T-cell responses are usually not sustained. Trials of numerous immunotherapies (e.g., Prostvac, GVAX, GM-CSF, etc.) have failed to show a benefit because the early T-cell responses are countered by adaptive responses. Prostate cancer is notoriously "cold" to immunotherapies.
2. PSA-based Endpoints
What we really want to know is this: will the treatment enable patients to live longer? Overall survival is the gold standard of success of randomized clinical trials. The "problem" for clinical trials is that prostate cancer is such a slow killer, that it may take 15 years or more to discern a difference (see this link) if patients have localized or recurrent prostate cancer at the start. (For most other types of cancer, 5-year overall survival is more than adequate.) Clinical trials are often ended when half of the control group die (median survival). But, depending on patient characteristics at the start, median survival may never be reached within the duration of the clinical trial (see this link and this one and this one).
Prostate cancer-specific survival (how long before patients succumbed to their prostate cancer) is little better. It is also hampered by the fact that patients with prostate cancer may die of something else sooner, possibly because their cancer was debilitating. It is often unclear to the doctor who signs the death certificate whether the cancer was the end cause, a contributing cause, or a non-contributing factor. To get clinical trial results before new medical science and technology renders the results irrelevant, we want to use surrogate endpoints that are highly correlated with and predict overall survival.
The earliest endpoints that can be used to measure the success of a prostate cancer therapy are PSA based. All of the following surrogate/secondary endpoints are PSA based:
- PSA50 - the percent who had a reduction in PSA by 50% or more
- Nadir PSA - the lowest PSA reached after therapy (see this link)
- PSA doubling time (PSADT) - whether the therapy slowed PSA growth
- Biochemical recurrence (BCR) - depending on initial treatment, and there may be multiple salvage therapies, each with a PSA failure defined for it (see this link)
- Biochemical Recurrence-Free Survival (bRFS)
- Biochemical Disease-Free Survival (bDFS)
- Biochemical failure (BF)- rise in PSA by a pre-specified amount post-therapy
- Biochemical No Evidence of Disease (bNED)
- Time to BCR/ BF
- Time to start of lifelong ADT (based primarily on a pre-defined PSA failure benchmark)
- Failure-free survival (FFS) or Progression-free survival (PFS) or Event-free survival (EFS) - defined as BF or radiological progression or clinical progression or death.
The following surrogate endpoints are not PSA-based:
- Clinical Progression-Free Survival (cPFS) - worsening of symptoms or performance status (see this link)
- Radiographic Progression-free Survival (rPFS) or Disease-free survival (DFS)- progression on scans or death
- Objective Response Rate (ORR) - tumor size or number reduction using RECIST criteria
- Change in Bone Scan Index
- Time to radiographic progression or failure
- Metastasis-free survival (MFS)
- Clinical progression - pain, bone fracture, spinal compression
As an example of circular reasoning, we can see in the ORIOLE trial that 6-month Progression Free Survival (PFS) was chosen as the primary endpoint. PFS was defined as PSA progression (by >25% over nadir and by > 2 ng/ml) or radiographic progression or death. As we can readily see in the exponential growth curve, the odds of a new metastasis on a bone scan/CT are very low and there are not likely to be any deaths. Therefore, PFS was almost entirely PSA progression. But the protocol "treated PSA." It is therefore illogical to conclude, even for a Phase II trial, that oligometastatic treatment slowed progression.
(Update 8/25/2022) Deek et al. combined ORIOLE and STOMP (n=162) with extended follow-up. After 52.5 months of median follow-up, they report:
- Progression-free survival (PFS) was 11.9 mo. for metastasis-directed therapy (MDT) vs. 5.9 mos. for observation. (HR=0.44)
- Radiographic progression-free survival (rPFS) was not significantly different
- Time to castration resistance was not significantly different
- Overall survival was not significantly different
- PFS increased by about 5-6 months regardless of whether there were high-risk mutations (BRCA, ATM, RB1, TP53).
- rPFS did not significantly increase for either group.
What is confusing is the endpoint used in this analysis.
Progression-free survival (PFS) =
- a PSA rise, or
- radiographic progression, or
- new symptoms, or
- initiation of ADT, or
- death.
In 52.5 months, there was very low mortality (5), and asymptomatic local control is good (3). Initiation of ADT (4) is always based on either rise in PSA (1) or radiographic progression (2). So with no difference in rPFS, the difference between PFS and rPFS is just PSA. This suggests that the extended follow-up found that MDT only treated PSA without any real impact on survival or progression of the cancer.
(Update 10/26/2022) Another example of circular reasoning can be seen in the EXTEND trial from MD Anderson. They randomized oligometastatic patients to receive metastasis-directed therapy (MDT) + ADT or ADT alone. They only evaluated "progression-free survival" which, at 22 months, was almost entirely lack of PSA progression. They claimed that the lack of PSA progression made it safe to give patients a break from ADT.
(Update 12/18/2024) RADIOSA was another small trial randomized 105 recurrent oligometastatic patients to either:
A. SBRT alone - 1-3 metastatic lesions (⅔ lymph node, ⅓ bone) detected via PET scanB. SBRT (as above) + ADT (6 months)
After follow-up of 31 months:
- Biochemical Recurrence-Free Survival was more than twice as long in the group that got hormone therapy (12.6 months in Group A, 26.8 months in Group B)
- Polymetastatic relapse was found in 15 patients in Group A vs. only 6 patients in Group B. Apparently,y there were man untreated micrometastases in Group A.
- In most patients in Group B, testosterone recovered within a year
It is worth noting that radiation of the prostate ("debulking") has no survival or progression advantage when there are multiple metastases, only when the metastatic burden is low (see this link). The prostate is, of course, the source of all metastases, and an ideal environment for metastases to develop and grow. Metastasis-to-prostate spread has been observed. In a meta-analysis of the two debulking trials called STOPCAP M1, researchers found that there was a statistically significant reduction in PSA progression (by 26%), even when there was no benefit in terms of metastatic progression or survival. Treating PSA even by debulking the entire prostate is not in and of itself of any oncological benefit (there may be a palliative benefit, however).
3. Danger of Withholding Early ADT
While ORIOLE, STOMP, and SABR-COMET were Phase 2 clinical trials whose results were not meant to change practice, many patients and their doctors (often under pressure from patients) would like to believe they do. If the metastases are in places that are safe to irradiate (e.g., away from the mediastinum), there is little risk in doing so. However, if they do not understand the circular reasoning evident in the ORIOLE trial, they may put off therapies that are known to increase survival. There is also a risk of unreasonable expectations.
Some patients (and doctors) believe that by delaying ADT, they can increase their quality of life, and delay castration resistance. Neither is true. Contrary to popular belief, decreasing the intensity of hormone therapy and delaying its use brings earlier castration resistance and death. The strongest evidence for this comes from the STAMPEDE (on Zytiga and Xtandi), LATITUDE, and SPARTAN trials. Among men who were newly diagnosed with metastatic prostate cancer:
- Overall survival was longer if men used Zytiga + ADT.
- No difference based on the number of metastases
- Failure-free survival was longer if they used Zytiga + ADT
- Overall survival was longer if men used Xtandi+ADT
- Survival was especially lengthened if there were fewer metastases
- PSA progression-free survival was longer if they used Xtandi+ADT
- Overall survival was longer if men used Erleada+ADT
- PSA progression-free survival was longer if they used Erleada+ADT
A clear pattern emerges: early use of intensive hormone therapy prolongs survival and prolongs the time to castration resistance. Men who were oligometastatic benefited from early, intense hormone therapy.
The TROG 03.04 RADAR trial examined the duration of hormone therapy in high-risk men treated with radiation. They found that, after 10 years of follow-up, men treated with 18 months of ADT survived longer, and reached castration resistance later compared to men treated with 6 months of ADT.
The TOAD trial looked at starting ADT at the first sign of recurrence vs. waiting for metastases to be detected. Men treated earlier reached castration resistance later. It also showed there was no major detriment to global health-related quality of life by starting ADT earlier (see this link).
Maha Hussain reported the results of a randomized clinical trial comparing intermittent vs continuous ADT in recurrent men with metastases. She found that:
- Time to castration resistance was not different for the two protocols (Figure S5)
- For men with minimal disease, overall survival was 6.9 years for those on continuous therapy vs 5.4 years for those on intermittent therapy. The trial was underpowered for this difference to reach statistical significance.
- It took 4-5 years for the survival curves to start separating - long follow-up is needed to detect survival differences.
Taken together, all these major randomized clinical trials show that the best way to use ADT in the oligometastatic setting is to use it early and heavily. Reducing the number of cancer cells as quickly and effectively as possible, even reducing those cells that haven't begun to measurably contribute to PSA, extends survival. The effect of evolutionary selection pressure allowing castration-resistant cells to survive is dwarfed by the reduction in sheer numbers. Circular reasoning may harm patients.
4. Future Clinical trials
We have learned some lessons about clinical trials for oligometastatic treatment:
- It has to have long enough follow-up, depending on the setting: at least 5 years for newly diagnosed or recurrent men to allow time to get to the steep part of the exponential curve. It will take longer if more sensitive imaging is used.
- It must use radiographic progression-free survival, or similar, as its primary endpoint
- It must not use a PSA-related endpoint
- ADT must be used in at least the control group. It would be unethical to withhold the standard of care (see AUA Guidelines for Advanced Prostate Cancer (mHSPC 14-18)) .
- It should preferably use a PSMA PET/CT to locate metastases. The ORIOLE trial only found an advantage if patients were oligometastatic on both a PSMA PET/CT and a bone scan/CT. The use of more sensitive imaging will move the starting point to the left on the exponential curve, so it will take that much longer to detect a benefit.
These randomized clinical trials (RCTs) are currently active:
- The CORE RCT at Royal Marsden Hospital in London will have 5 years of follow-up (completion in Oct. 2024) and will include freedom from widespread metastatic disease and overall survival among the outcomes looked at.
- The PCX IX RCT (among castration-resistant patients) at Jewish General Hospital in Montreal will have 5 years of follow-up (primary outcome in April 2025) and has radiographic progression-free survival as its primary outcome.
- The PLATON RCT (among hormone-sensitive patients) in Canada will have 6 years of follow-up (primary outcome in Dec. 2026) and has radiographic progression-free survival as its secondary outcome. Oligometastatic men who have never had their prostates treated with RT will have prostate radiation too in both arms. ADT is given in both arms, advanced hormonals and chemo at the physician's discretion.
- The STEREO-OS RCT (study completion in Jan 2026) in France will look at radiographic progression-free survival with follow-up of up to 3 years.
- The VA STARPORT RCT (primary completion in 2025) in many VA hospitals in the US will randomize patients to systemic therapy + PET-directed radiation to 1-5 oligorecurrences or to systemic therapy alone. Unfortunately, they are using castration-resistance as their primary endpoint, which is problematic.
- The START-MET RCT (primary completion in 2025) in Spain will randomize recurrent and newly diagnosed oligometastatic (≤3 on bone scan/CT and ≤5 on PSMA PET) men to standard-of-care (ADT+2nd line HT+prostate RT) or standard-of-care + SBRT to all metastases. 2-year radiographic progression is the primary outcome.
- The SPARKLE RCT (primary completion in 2027) in Belgium randomizes oligo-recurrent patients to either (1) MDT alone, (2) MDT+1 mo.of ADT or (3)MDT+6 mo (ADT+enzalutamide). Primary endpoint is 5 new lesions on PSMA PET scan.
- The ADOPT RCT (primary completion in 12/2024) in The Netherlands randomizes oligo-recurrent patients to either MDT ± ADT. 2.5 yr MFS on PSMA PET scan.
- The TERPS RCT (primary completion in 7/31/26) randomizes newly diagnosed oligometastatic patients (diagnosed on PSMA PET/CT) to triplet therapy+debulking of prostate ± SBRT to all detected metastases. The primary endpoint is 2-yr failure-free survival.
This is simply the best essay on ADT and PSA that I have ever read!
ReplyDeleteI hope it will somehow get republished in a journal like J. Urology or Nature Reviews Urology, where the MDs will see it.
Richard W.
Thanks, Richard. I sent it to a few ROs I know. They get a lot of pressure from patients for OMDT.
DeleteHi Allen, Thank for writing this and all the work and care you put into everything you do. I have a question regarding section II (Supplements that interfere with PSA tests). If one were taking supplements that affect PSA how long should one wait after stopping the supplements to check PSA?
ReplyDeleteIt depends on the amount of time it takes to clear the substance from the blood and the amount you were taking. For example, the FDA warning about biotin says "Currently available data is insufficient to support recommendations for safe testing using affected tests in patients taking high levels of biotin, including about the length of time for biotin clearance from the blood." https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/fda-warns-biotin-may-interfere-lab-tests-fda-safety-communication
Deletelen...Everything you do is always well researched and extremely well written. Thank You Again. The only thing in your writings I quarrel with is this incongruity that I imagine may never be proven without a phase 3 trial, which I further imagine will never happen.
DeleteTwo men whose age and prostate cancer is identical in all respects have a prostatectomy. The median time to detectable metastasis is 8 years. Year 2 both have identical PSA progression . One gets heavy ADT . The other waits to year 8 for the same ADT. If it is generally accepted that castration resistance occurs two to 3 years after heavy ADT , and it is further proven that 17 percent of the heavily treated men develop a more malignant form of cancer, how can we say with reasonable certainty that time to castration resistance is shorter for the man who starts treatment in year 8. Logically , by year 8 , the earlier treated man would have a more malignant form of cancer and/ or cycled through all medicines/ treatment designed to kill the castration resistant cells, by the time the untreated man even starts treatment. Granted, the untreated man , who starts treatment in year 8 , with a much higher tumor load , may become castration resistant in a shorter period of time than the earlier treated man did post treatment , but the absolute number of years would be substantially longer for the untreated man.
The longer time to CR in men getting heavier ADT is not based on logical inference, it's based on randomized clinical trials (evidence provided in the article). TOAD addressed exactly the situation he are talking about.
DeleteYou are making the logical error called "Post hoc ergo propter hoc." That is, you are assuming that just because CR of virulent PC occurs after heavy ADT use, it is because of heavy ADT use. You are ignoring the overwhelming fact that the cancer itself is the key causative factor.
Thank you Allen.
ReplyDeleteQuestion on drugs that affect and distort PSA values.
Propecia a brand name taken at 1 mg level per day, vs the same drug called finisteride at 5 mg per day, vs finisteride tabet split into approximately 4. 1.25 mg takibg the 1.25 mg per day.
There may be duresteride/avodart as well.
So I've read different things about how to correct PSA readings when taking one of these. And in some cases that correction value changes based on how long you've been taking it.
Do you have any info on this?
Also I understand that any increase in PSA while on these drugs prior to diagnosis of Prostate cancer should be investigated?
Thanks
Finasteride eliminates the PSA caused by BPH but doesn't affect the PSA from prostate cancer. So there are 2 situations that men taking finasteride have to be wary about:
Delete(1) PSA never goes down, and continues to rise
(2) PSA goes down at first, but then rises again
The rule of thumb is that finasteride reduces PSA by half in most men with BPH, so just double the PSA to get an estimate for risk assessment purposes. This is for men taking Proscar, not Propecia. It takes many months for finasteride to shrink the prostate down to the size where PSA is cut in half. I would imagine it takes longer with the lower dose Propecia.
Thanks, Allen. This is very helpful.
ReplyDeleteAn observation and a question:
ADT vacation or holiday could cost you 1.5 years of life.
How different are the PSMA vs Axumin PET/CT? PSMA PET/CT is not offered at my medical center. Should I find one that offers it?
Allen ..Everything you do is always well researched and extremely well written. Thank You Again. The only thing in your writings I quarrel with is this incongruity that I imagine may never be proven without a phase 3 trial, which I further imagine will never happen.
ReplyDeleteTwo men whose age and prostate cancer is identical in all respects have a prostatectomy. The median time to detectable metastasis is 8 years. Year 2 both have identical PSA progression . One gets heavy ADT . The other waits to year 8 for the same ADT. If it is generally accepted that castration resistance occurs two to 3 years after heavy ADT , and it is further proven that 17 percent of the heavily treated men develop a more malignant form of cancer, how can we say with reasonable certainty that time to castration resistance is shorter for the man who starts treatment in year 8. Logically , by year 8 , the earlier treated man would have a more malignant form of cancer and/ or cycled through all medicines/ treatment designed to kill the castration resistant cells, by the time the untreated man even starts treatment. Granted, the untreated man , who starts treatment in year 8 , with a much higher tumor load , may become castration resistant in a shorter period of time than the earlier treated man did post treatment , but the absolute number of years would be substantially longer for the untreated man.
Allen
ReplyDeleteThanks for this post. I am wondering if having started 10 mg Crestor (rosuvastatin) last Fall could possibly have kept my recurrent PSA from increasing? Or would the increase just be less? I have had a 6 month period of no increases and recognize this might be a normal lull in PSA growth while the prostate cancer does it thing as in 'seed and soil" as you mention above.
Allen
ReplyDeleteThanks for this post. I am wondering if having started 10 mg Crestor (rosuvastatin) last Fall could possibly have kept my recurrent PSA from increasing? Or would the increase just be less? I have had a 6 month period of no increases and recognize this might be a normal lull in PSA growth while the prostate cancer does it thing as in 'seed and soil" as you mention above.
Teddy
I have no idea. If you are taking the statin for cardiovascular reasons, it is important to keep taking it.
DeleteVery interesting research. But i'm puzzled with all appellation. What would be the name given to a post RP biological recurence of about .1 PSA. Oligo metastatic, micro metastatic, CTC ?
ReplyDeleteOfficially, biochemical recurrence is a confirmed PSA of 0.2 ng/ml. Recent data from the RADICALS trial suggests that 0.1 ng/ml or 3 consecutive uPSA increases may be a better definition. Recurrent PC at low PSA may have undetectable metastases.
DeleteThanks Allen its one of the best "logic driven" analysis that i've found. However isn't there a contradiction when you wrote in section 3 : "Taken together, all these major randomized clinical trials show that the best way to use ADT in the oligometastatic setting is to use it early and heavily" But then in AUA guideline they say for patient with "Biochemical Recurrence without Metastatic Disease after Exhaustion of Local Treatment Options :
Delete7. For patients with a rising PSA after failure of local therapy and no demonstrated metastatic disease by conventional imaging, clinicians should offer observation or clinical trial enrollment. (Clinical Principle)
8. ADT should not be routinely initiated in this population (Expert Opinion). However, if ADT is initiated in the absence of metastatic disease, intermittent ADT may be offered in lieu of continuous ADT. (Conditional Recommendation; Evidence Level: Grade B)
I'm exactly in this situation (hanging around 0.10 after 2 years RP) and thus very interesting in discussing with argument to my onco if we see a rise as to wheter hit it hard or wait and see. thanks
I don't see the contradiction... perhaps you can explain? I am addressing ADT when metastases have been detected. The AUA guidelines you site are for recurrent, but not metastatic PCa. The latter is (almost) your situation. If you do have a biochemical recurrence, a good clinical trial (like those referred to in Guideline 7) would be this one: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03009981
DeleteIntermittent ADT (as in Guideline 8) for recurrent but not metastatic PC was used almost exclusively in the TOAD RCT (mentioned in the article). A trial at MD Anderson found that intermittent Zytiga+ADT was better than ADT-alone in that setting:
https://meetinglibrary.asco.org/record/161500/abstract
Very interesting and i learned a new term for my condition: M0HNPC (non metastatic hormone naïve prostate cancer)
ReplyDeletethanks !
This is your best explanation of PSA and prostatic cancer for the sophisticated patient. Thank you for your time and effort.
ReplyDeleteJerry